Gemini 4 Argon vs Qwen3.8 Max

Updated September 30, 2026. Rank says Qwen3.8 Max is ahead. Price, access, and your workload can each overturn that. Public scores include evidence status and uncertainty.

Decision reading

Qwen3.8 Max has the higher public score estimate, 71.31 versus 64.59, but the 90% score intervals overlap. Treat that as a lead, not a settled winner. 6 results are shared. Category rows resting on Estimated evidence or different benchmark sets are marked directional and do not name a winner.

Model A

Gemini 4 Argon

Google

64.59/100

Estimated · Public rank #32

90% interval 53.1–76.1

Model B

Qwen3.8 Max

Alibaba

71.31/100

Supported · Public rank #14

90% interval 68.3–74.3

Shared results: 6
Gemini 4 Argon only: 11
Qwen3.8 Max only: 54
Like-for-like categories: 2 / 8

Estimated: Gemini 4 Argon · Supported: Qwen3.8 MaxHow the comparison works

Which one for your work

Recommendations appear only when a shared evidence basis or an explicit operating constraint supports the call. Secondary and unsupported use cases stay disclosed below the initial list.

Coding work
Code generation, repair, and software-engineering tasks
Gemini 4 Argon
Gemini 4 Argon leads on the public coding lane, 68.4 to 55.5, with Supported evidence for both models, although the 90% intervals overlap.
Confidence: limited

Show secondary and unsupported calls

Agentic work
Tool use, computer use, and multi-step task completion
Not enough matched evidence
Gemini 4 Argon is scored on Estimated evidence for agentic, so the reading is directional rather than like-for-like.
Confidence: limited
Long documents
Prompts that approach the documented context limit
Not enough matched evidence
A complete context comparison is not sourced.
Confidence: limited
Chat turn cost
1K fresh input + 500 output tokens
Not enough matched evidence
A complete comparable API-rate estimate is not available for both models.
Confidence: listed-rates
Cache-heavy agent loop cost
200K cached + 20K fresh input + 10K output tokens
Not enough matched evidence
A complete comparable API-rate estimate is not available for both models.
Confidence: listed-rates
Repository review cost
50K fresh input + 3K output tokens
Not enough matched evidence
A complete comparable API-rate estimate is not available for both models.
Confidence: listed-rates

Which one for a specific job

Choose a job from the LLM Selector's task catalog to see the category row it rests on, under the same basis rules as the table below. A directional row stays directional; choosing a job never creates a winner.

Pick the job you would use them for

The same task catalog as the LLM Selector. Each job names the evidence surface it rests on; nothing here adds a new score.

68.4Gemini 4 Argon55.5Qwen3.8 Max

Like-for-like · BenchAlign v5.7

Gemini 4 Argon leads the like-for-like coding row, although the 90% intervals overlap.

Coding scores combine specific tasks and setups. Match the editor, harness, and effort to your workflow.

Open the coding leaderboard Shortlist models for this job

Same basis rules as the category table below

Shape of the matched evidence

Only shared public evidence is shown. Sparse evidence stays a ruled list rather than being closed into a radar shape.

Too few matched category axes support a radar. The ruled list below shows only shared benchmark results; positions use each benchmark’s normalized display scale when available.

OSWorld 2.0Agentic
Normalized gap 49.8
Gemini 4 Argon:69.2%
Qwen3.8 Max:19.4%
Gemini 4 Argon source Qwen3.8 Max source
AutomationBenchAgentic
Normalized gap 24.0
Gemini 4 Argon:51.3%
Qwen3.8 Max:27.3%
Gemini 4 Argon source Qwen3.8 Max source

Bars run 0–100 on each benchmark’s normalized display scale

Category results, on a stated basis

Each row shows the public-lane category score for both models: the BenchAlign v5.7 lane for agentic, coding, and knowledge, and the weighted public rows elsewhere, with the same rank each model page reports. A row is like-for-like only when both scores rest on Supported evidence or the same weighted set. Directional and not-comparable rows remain visible, but they never receive a winner.

Coding

Like-for-like

Gemini 4 Argon: 68.4; Supported · #8/144
Qwen3.8 Max: 55.5; Supported · #29/144
Basis: BenchAlign v5.7 lane · 4 vs 12 public rows
Reading: Gemini 4 Argon leads · intervals overlap

Knowledge

Like-for-like

Gemini 4 Argon: 72.9; Supported · #11/170
Qwen3.8 Max: 66.3; Supported · #23/170
Basis: BenchAlign v5.7 lane · 1 vs 6 public rows
Reading: Gemini 4 Argon leads · intervals overlap

Agentic

Directional only

Gemini 4 Argon: 63.7; Estimated · #14/119
Qwen3.8 Max: 65.5; Supported · #12/119
Basis: BenchAlign v5.7 lane · 7 vs 15 public rows
Reading: Directional only

Reasoning

Not comparable

Gemini 4 Argon: 77.1; Unranked · 3 rankable rows
Qwen3.8 Max: 87.7; Unranked · 2 rankable rows
Basis: Provisional lane · 0 vs 2 weighted rows
Reading: Not comparable

Multimodal

Not comparable

Gemini 4 Argon: Not ranked
Qwen3.8 Max: 88.4; #5/49
Basis: Provisional lane · 0 vs 2 weighted rows
Reading: Not comparable

Multilingual

Not comparable

Gemini 4 Argon: Not ranked
Qwen3.8 Max: Not ranked
Basis: Provisional lane · 0 vs 0 weighted rows
Reading: Not comparable

Instruction following

Not comparable

Gemini 4 Argon: Not ranked
Qwen3.8 Max: 90.5; #16/124
Basis: Provisional lane · 0 vs 1 weighted rows
Reading: Not comparable

Math

Not comparable

Gemini 4 Argon: Not ranked
Qwen3.8 Max: Not ranked
Basis: Provisional lane · 0 vs 0 weighted rows
Reading: Not comparable

Category scores with the server-provided evidence basis for Gemini 4 Argon and Qwen3.8 Max
Category	Gemini 4 Argon	Qwen3.8 Max	Basis	Reading
Coding	68.4Supported · #8/144	55.5Supported · #29/144	Like-for-likeBenchAlign v5.7 lane · 4 vs 12 public rows	Gemini 4 Argon leads · intervals overlap
Knowledge	72.9Supported · #11/170	66.3Supported · #23/170	Like-for-likeBenchAlign v5.7 lane · 1 vs 6 public rows	Gemini 4 Argon leads · intervals overlap
Agentic	63.7Estimated · #14/119	65.5Supported · #12/119	Directional onlyBenchAlign v5.7 lane · 7 vs 15 public rows	Directional only
Reasoning	77.1Unranked · 3 rankable rows	87.7Unranked · 2 rankable rows	Not comparableProvisional lane · 0 vs 2 weighted rows	Not comparable
Multimodal	Not ranked	88.4#5/49	Not comparableProvisional lane · 0 vs 2 weighted rows	Not comparable
Multilingual	Not ranked	Not ranked	Not comparableProvisional lane · 0 vs 0 weighted rows	Not comparable
Instruction following	Not ranked	90.5#16/124	Not comparableProvisional lane · 0 vs 1 weighted rows	Not comparable
Math	Not ranked	Not ranked	Not comparableProvisional lane · 0 vs 0 weighted rows	Not comparable

Ranks count the models scored in each category’s lane, so the agentic, coding, and knowledge denominators (BenchAlign v5.7) differ from the provisional-lane categories. Unranked scores sit on the provisional lane’s scale but never name a winner. Like-for-like rows within 0.5 points read as a practical tie.

Supported evidence per lane · bars run 0–100Methodology

What each workload costs

Three fixed token mixes turn per-token rates into comparable decisions. Each scenario states context fit and whether cached input had to fall back to the published list-input rate.

Chat turn

1K fresh input + 500 output tokens

Gemini 4 Argon: $0.007; Fit state unavailable
Qwen3.8 Max: API rate not published; Fits in one request

Qwen3.8 Max has no comparable published API token rate.

Repository review

50K fresh input + 3K output tokens

Gemini 4 Argon: $0.13; Fit state unavailable
Qwen3.8 Max: API rate not published; Fits in one request

Qwen3.8 Max has no comparable published API token rate.

Cache-heavy agent loop

200K cached + 20K fresh input + 10K output tokens

Gemini 4 Argon: $0.16; Fit state unavailable
Qwen3.8 Max: API rate not published; Fits in one request; Cached-input rate unavailable

Qwen3.8 Max has no comparable published API token rate.

Cached input falls back to the list input rate only where a cached rate is unpublished

Specification differences

Sourced differences are shown directly. Missing facts stay explicit instead of being inferred from a model name or family.

SpecificationGemini 4 ArgonQwen3.8 Max

Context window

Maximum documented context; output-token limits may be lower.

Gemini 4 Argon

Not sourced

Google Gemini 4 Argon announcement

Qwen3.8 Max

Alibaba Cloud Model Studio pricing

API model ID

Gemini 4 Argon

Not sourced

Qwen3.8 Max

qwen3.8-max

Alibaba Cloud Model Studio pricing

Cached-input rate

A missing cached-input rate falls back to the listed input rate only in the stated workload estimate.

Gemini 4 Argon

$0.1 per 1M cached input tokens

Google Gemini 4 Argon announcement

Qwen3.8 Max

No comparable hosted API rate

Alibaba Cloud Model Studio pricing

Documented inputs

Gemini 4 Argon

Not sourced

Qwen3.8 Max

Not sourced

Documented outputs

Gemini 4 Argon

Not sourced

Qwen3.8 Max

Not sourced

Provider availability

Gemini 4 Argon

Limited Access · Fairwind Program

Google Gemini 4 Argon announcement

Qwen3.8 Max

Not sourced

Reasoning profile

Gemini 4 Argon

Reasoning

Qwen3.8 Max

Reasoning

Weight access

Gemini 4 Argon

Proprietary

Qwen3.8 Max

Open Weight

License

Gemini 4 Argon

Proprietary

Qwen3.8 Max

Open Weight

Release date

Gemini 4 Argon

2026-09-30

Qwen3.8 Max

2026-08-03

If you already use one of these models

Deployment change: The models list different providers, so authentication, endpoint behavior, limits, and feature support may change.
Quality signal: Qwen3.8 Max has the higher public score estimate, 71.31 versus 64.59, but the 90% score intervals overlap.
Workload cost: A complete comparable API-rate estimate is not available for both models.
Context tradeoff: A complete documented context comparison is not available.

Run the same representative tasks against both endpoints before changing production traffic.

Questions

Which is better, Gemini 4 Argon or Qwen3.8 Max?

Qwen3.8 Max has the higher public score estimate, 71.31 versus 64.59, but the 90% score intervals overlap. The higher estimate is not a decisive winner because the uncertainty ranges overlap.

Which is better for coding, Gemini 4 Argon or Qwen3.8 Max?

Gemini 4 Argon leads the public coding lane, 68.4 to 55.5, with Supported evidence for both models, although the 90% intervals overlap.

Which is better for agentic tasks, Gemini 4 Argon or Qwen3.8 Max?

Qwen3.8 Max scores higher for agentic tasks on the public lane, 65.5 to 63.7. Gemini 4 Argon is scored on Estimated evidence for agentic tasks, so the reading is directional rather than like-for-like. BenchLM does not name a winner for agentic tasks from a directional reading; read the shared benchmark rows directly and test the models on the same task set.

Which costs less, Gemini 4 Argon or Qwen3.8 Max?

Both models do not have comparable published API token rates, so this page does not name a universal price winner.

Which has the larger context window, Gemini 4 Argon or Qwen3.8 Max?

A complete documented context-window comparison is not available.

Benchmark evidence

The full public result ledger is available for audit without forcing a wide desktop table onto a phone.

Browse raw public benchmark evidence71 rows

Agentic

AutomationBench
Gemini 4 Argon51.3%
Source
Qwen3.8 Max27.3%
Source
Gemini 4 Argon leads this result
Finance Agent v2
Gemini 4 Argon65.4%
Source
Qwen3.8 Max—
Not directly comparable
Terminal-Bench 4.0
Gemini 4 Argon57.40%
Source
Qwen3.8 Max—
Not directly comparable
Agents' Last Exam
Gemini 4 Argon39.5%
Source
Qwen3.8 Max52.4%
Source
Qwen3.8 Max leads this result
OSWorld 2.0
Gemini 4 Argon69.2%
Source
Qwen3.8 Max19.4%
Source
Gemini 4 Argon leads this result
CWE-bench v1
Gemini 4 Argon68.0%
Source
Qwen3.8 Max—
Not directly comparable
Terminal-Bench-Science 0.1 (6x verifier timeout)
Gemini 4 Argon57.6%
Source
Qwen3.8 Max—
Not directly comparable
Terminal-Bench 2.1
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max86.6%
Source
Not directly comparable
CoWorkBench
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max74.8%
Source
Not directly comparable
JobBench
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max53.4%
Source
Not directly comparable
skillsBench
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max70.2%
Source
Not directly comparable
Toolathlon-Verified
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max72.5%
Source
Not directly comparable
WideResearch
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max81.9%
Source
Not directly comparable
HLE w/ tools
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max56.2%
Source
Not directly comparable
OSWorld-Verified
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max86.1%
Source
Not directly comparable
WebArena-Verified
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max66.8%
Source
Not directly comparable
AndroidWorld
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max85.3%
Source
Not directly comparable
MobileWorld
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max77.8%
Source
Not directly comparable
Terminal-Bench 2.1 (Vals)
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max67.4%
Source
Not directly comparable

Coding

DeepSWE
Gemini 4 Argon77.9%
Source
Qwen3.8 Max56.6%
Source
Gemini 4 Argon leads this result
FrontierSWE v2
Shared source
Gemini 4 Argon55.1%
Qwen3.8 Max15.8%
Gemini 4 Argon leads this result
Vibe Code Bench
Gemini 4 Argon91.90%
Source
Qwen3.8 Max—
Not directly comparable
PostTrainBench v1.1
Gemini 4 Argon45.3%
Source
Qwen3.8 Max—
Not directly comparable
Terminal-Bench 2.1
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max86.6%
Source
Not directly comparable
SWE-bench Pro
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max67.7%
Source
Not directly comparable
NL2Repo
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max55.9%
Source
Not directly comparable
FrontierSWE
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max73.5%
Source
Not directly comparable
MLS-Bench Lite
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max41.0%
Source
Not directly comparable
PaperBench
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max93.0%
Source
Not directly comparable
VulcanBench v3
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max81.2%
Source
Not directly comparable
OpenHarmony Bench
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max60.8%
Source
Not directly comparable
LiveCodeBench (Vals)
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max87.9%
Source
Not directly comparable
SWE-bench (Vals)
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max85.6%
Source
Not directly comparable

Reasoning

Graphwalks BFS 128K
Gemini 4 Argon99.7%
Source
Qwen3.8 Max—
Not directly comparable
GraphWalks BFS 256K–1M
Gemini 4 Argon84.2%
Source
Qwen3.8 Max—
Not directly comparable
MRCRv2
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max92.9%
Source
Not directly comparable
LongBench v2
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max66.3%
Source
Not directly comparable

Multimodal

Chartography (no tools)
Gemini 4 Argon71.6%
Source
Qwen3.8 Max—
Not directly comparable
LVBench
Gemini 4 Argon91.7%
Source
Qwen3.8 Max81.8%
Source
Gemini 4 Argon leads this result
MMMU-Pro
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max82.3%
Source
Not directly comparable
MathVision
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max95.2%
Source
Not directly comparable
MathVision w/ Python
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max97.7%
Source
Not directly comparable
BabyVision
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max82.0%
Source
Not directly comparable
BabyVision w/ Python
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max91.3%
Source
Not directly comparable
ZeroBench
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max24.0%
Source
Not directly comparable
ZeroBench w/ Python
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max49.0%
Source
Not directly comparable
MedXpertQA (MM)
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max80.4%
Source
Not directly comparable
ScreenSpot Pro
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max84.5%
Source
Not directly comparable
Vision2Web
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max69.0%
Source
Not directly comparable
CharXiv w/o tools
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max88.4%
Source
Not directly comparable
CharXiv
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max93.5%
Source
Not directly comparable
OmniDocBench 1.5
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max92.1%
Source
Not directly comparable
OCRBench V2
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max74.2%
Source
Not directly comparable
CC-OCR
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max79.6%
Source
Not directly comparable
RealWorldQA
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max88.0%
Source
Not directly comparable
ERQA
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max77.8%
Source
Not directly comparable
SimpleVQA
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max75.0%
Source
Not directly comparable
PerceptionBench
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max63.5%
Source
Not directly comparable
Video-MME (with subtitle)
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max90.4%
Source
Not directly comparable
VideoMMMU
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max88.7%
Source
Not directly comparable
MMVU
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max82.4%
Source
Not directly comparable
MLVU (M-Avg)
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max90.8%
Source
Not directly comparable

Knowledge

LABBench2
Gemini 4 Argon88.8%
Source
Qwen3.8 Max—
Not directly comparable
GPQA
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max92.6%
Source
Not directly comparable
GPQA-D
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max92.6%
Source
Not directly comparable
HLE
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max43.6%
Source
Not directly comparable
HLE w/o tools
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max43.6%
Source
Not directly comparable
GPQA Diamond (Vals)
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max93.7%
Source
Not directly comparable
MMLU-Pro (Vals)
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max88.6%
Source
Not directly comparable

Instruction following

Gray Swan IPI (15 attempts)
Gemini 4 Argon0.7%
Source
Qwen3.8 Max—
Not directly comparable
IFBench
Gemini 4 Argon—
Qwen3.8 Max82.8%
Source
Not directly comparable

71 public results · 6 shared

Related comparisons

Compare API pricing Read the methodology Open the model selector

Watch Gemini 4 Argon vs Qwen3.8 Max

One weekly email when material rank, price, or benchmark evidence changes make this matchup worth revisiting.

Read a sample issue

Join 2,000+ readers.

Last updated September 30, 2026

Gemini 4 Argon vs Qwen3.8 Max

Decision reading

Which one for your work

Coding work

Agentic work

Long documents

Chat turn cost

Cache-heavy agent loop cost

Repository review cost

Which one for a specific job

What is actually comparable

Shape of the matched evidence

Category results, on a stated basis

Coding

Knowledge

Agentic

Reasoning

Multimodal

Multilingual

Instruction following

Math

What each workload costs

Chat turn

Repository review

Cache-heavy agent loop

Specification differences

Context window

API model ID

Cached-input rate

Documented inputs

Documented outputs

Provider availability

Reasoning profile

Weight access

License

Release date

If you already use one of these models

Questions

Which is better, Gemini 4 Argon or Qwen3.8 Max?

Which is better for coding, Gemini 4 Argon or Qwen3.8 Max?

Which is better for agentic tasks, Gemini 4 Argon or Qwen3.8 Max?

Which costs less, Gemini 4 Argon or Qwen3.8 Max?

Which has the larger context window, Gemini 4 Argon or Qwen3.8 Max?

Benchmark evidence

Agentic

Coding

Reasoning

Multimodal

Knowledge

Instruction following

Related comparisons

Watch Gemini 4 Argon vs Qwen3.8 Max